If Israel never existed...

Some people wouldn't make stupid claims about what would happen if Israel never existed.

I'm not a Republican nor am I a Democrat. Both sides say stupid things all the time.

I actually don't know the affiliation, if any, of the writer here, but he's making some sweeping claims about what would happen if Israel had never been formed and most of them forget the rest of Middle Eastern history.

http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/32357

He gets it wrong from the very first element of the list:

1. The U.S. would not have any enemies in the Islamic World.

Is he kidding? Did he forget about the post-WWI imperialism/colonialism of Great Britain and even the United States after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, none of which has anything to do with the creation of the state of Israel?

2. There would be no Al-Qaeda Terrorist Network.

This is equally absurd, especially if you believe those who say that Al Qeada was actually formed and funded originally by the CIA.

3. Gasoline would be selling for less than $1 a gallon.

Uh, yeah. Which ass did you pull that out of?

4. There would have been no 9/11.

This is an attempt to further perpetuate the official story behind 9/11. It was all those angry Muslims and they were angry because we support Israel. Please. 5-8 are merely consequences of 9/11. No 9/11, no 5-8.

9. Iran would not be the next target for U.S. aggression. (No Israel. No “A Clean Break” document. No Israeli Lobby. No Neocons. No need for the U.S. to attack Iran.) [5]

Give me a break. Did he forget about our dictator that we installed in the 1950s? Remember him, the Shah? That's when the Iranians started hating us. We started hating them after they overthrew our dictator and held our citizens hostage. Then they hated us more when we shot down one of their airliners in 1988. Now we hate them because they have started selling oil for Euros instead of Dollars. So maybe I should say that if the European Union had never formed, we wouldn't want to attack Iran. That would be the same type of logic we have here with this writer.

12. Jerusalem would have a vibrant Christian population.

It has a Christian population right now. Is it vibrant? I guess that's a matter of opinion, isn't it?

14. The 2,544 Americans who have died in Iraq would be alive; and the 18,777, who have been seriously wounded there, would be fully participating in our Republic. U.S. taxpayers would have an additional $295 billion, (the cost of the war), in the treasury to use to serve the social needs of the people. Universal Health Care would be a real possibility and Social Security would not be in jeopardy. Iraq would be at peace. There would be no Gitmo Bay detention center, or an Abu Ghraib Prison, or a reason for the Bush-Cheney Gang to gut Habeas Corpus. No need for it to also employ torturers, or chemical weapons, or hold detainees without charges or trial. The Geneva Convention would be respected. The tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis, who have died as a result of the war, would instead be alive today. (At the following footnote, see horrific photos of some of the Iraqi dead.)

Good god. The Iraq war has nothing, and I mean nothing, to do with Israel. Saddam was a dictator sitting on the 2nd largest oil reserves in the world. The US is a country where the strength of the curreny depends on the price of a barrel of oil and that eveyone buys and sells oil with it. This way countries must keep dollar reserves, which lose value through inflation, which in effect creates a way for the US to tax the rest of the world. This is why we are so rich, yet have $9 trillion in debt, with no one (yet) calling in all those loans (it would rock the world economy if that happened too quickly). The Iraq war was all about central banks, petrocurrency, and economic hegemony. It wasn't about WMD and it certainly wasn't about Israel.

15. The battle to save our planet, its fragile ecosystem, its fast vanishing animal life and plants and to combat global warming, would be issue “No. 1.” [10] Instead, we are perpetually bombarded with propaganda about defending “Israel’s security.”

At this point it's really hard to take this guy seriously. How does he know what the No. 1 priority would be? Does he honestly believe it would be something as altruistic as "saving the planet?" Also, Israel's security is not the priority that is being heaved onto the Murkin people, it's Murka's security that is being cynically used as a pretext for all the raping of the treasury and power grabs by those currently in power.

Well, his list gets lost in strange handwringing over what Israel has done for the past 40 years and just says that all these bad things wouldn't have been done by Israel of Israel had never been formed. You could point to any country on the map and do the same exact thing.

Well, if this guy is a lefty, then he's providing all sorts of ammo to righties who want to justify all of Israel's actions. And I hate when lefties do that. I hate it when lefties make dumb arguements based on some irrational notion that got built up in their heads. It's so easy to attack and dismantle an argument like that.

Suffice it to say, Israel or no Israel, the US and the UK would still have half of the Middle East hating them and burning their flags. They were doing it for decades before Israel even formed. It's been this way ever since WWI and the discovery of oil in the Middle East. Mind you the formation of Israel has definitely made things worse, but you can't say that it is the root of all evil.